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Also depends on your MMR and the enemy's team comp, but I'd venture to say vs 80% of team comps and nearly 100% of Hero League team comps, Metamorphosis is the favorable Heroic.
Of course, player skill can factor into this. A couple Illidans stuck with The Hunt for a long time after Meta became the favorite and did pretty well for themselves. Later Heroes and nerfs made Metamorphosis almost mandatory for high level games.
But for Quick Match anything works, so if it has worked for you so far (And it seems it has), go for it! As I stated before I am out of touch with the meta due to not playing in recent months, so maybe The Hunt is more viable now than it was then.
1st Question: I realized for level 13 and 16 for Illidan there is Giant Killer and Sixth Sense on 13 and BfB and Stoneskin for 16, do you think that if I replace Sixth Sense for Giant Killer on 13 and make up for the survivability for choosing Stoneskin because I usually go back and forth between these talent choices.
2nd Question: I know you know when to choose Illidan no matter the comp, but sometimes choosing Illidan could kinda lead to death and lost to the team so can you add more threats to the threat list because I know some heroes could be a really big counter threat for Illidan and I just wanted you to add a bit more to the threat list. (I am not really forcing you, but sometimes new Illidan players have no idea which heroes to avoid and I know a lot of heroes that counter Illidan and those heroes are just half of them so just add a bit more threats on the list imo.)
Last question: I was also wondering, which region do you play on? Because if it is possible I want to see your skills as Illidan, or just play together for fun.
Hope you see this, have a great morning/day/afternoon/night. =)
tank yu for yr tme.
1st Answer: Yes, I do believe that's viable, but it'd be harder to pull off. Stoneskin relies on you hitting 3+ targets with Metamorphosis to get a really good shield, but this makes sense because you're getting rid of Sixth Sense. By not picking up Sixth Sense and instead taking Giant Killer, I'm assuming the enemy team is quite beefy and doesn't have a lot of those squishier high DPS Heroes. So, in the event you'd ever WANT to pick up GK over 6th Sense, it would actually make perfect sense to pick up Stoneskin - as beefier Heroes clump together easy (Most are Melee + big targets).
So yeah, I think that could be a viable combination. Personally I've not done it often, as I find it hard to give up 6th Sense (I haven't played in a long time to be honest, and back when I played you were almost always up against Jaina, Kael'thas, Zeratul, or a combination of them). I'm unsure of the current meta as I've not kept up with it, but I'm assuming there are scenarios where this combination is superior since you are asking in the first place.
Answer 2: Yea, the threats list is outdated. As it says in the title, I haven't played HotS since Kharazim was added to the game, so which Heroes you encounter versus the Heroes I encountered are probably very different and Illidan counterpicks are probably more obvious now.
Last Answer: I played on the North American server. Unfortunately I don't play but once in a while now. I had a series of bad experiences when trying to enter the competitive scene and it just turned me off from the game altogether.
Thanks again for your interest, hope I answered your questions...sadly not keeping up with the game has rendered my knowledge limited and prevented me from further updating my guide though.
tank yu fr yr tme.
It heals TWICE the amount of dmg which == 20%
I completely love this build, except I use stoneskin whenever I pick metamorphosis. Even with the heal buff, I feel that picking talents that benefit off of YOUR max health has better synergy with metamorphosis. It's like picking first aid - more health gives you more survivability. Also, what Illidan needs for his lifesteal on his passive to keep him alive is damage mitigation, which is why I like stoneskin. BFB is still pretty fun, but I only pick it when I go yolo hunt because the increase in shield from landing a good metamorphosis is too good to waste, in my opinion.
Also, I haven't tested bolt (I always take nexus blades) or ToB, but I'm looking forward to testing both of them, especially ToB.
Wonderful guide, +1.
Thanks for the feedback and kind words Kesper!
Since the Blood for Blood nerf, Stoneskin is a bit more viable now. Prior, BfB kinda did stoneskin's job plus gave burst damage. Now it's almost the same thing as Stoneskin - it's used almost entirely for its heal.
I should probably edit those talents to reflect that, but I think they're on even grounds right now. The only difference is whether you are getting off good Metamorphosis' to increase your max HP (And therefore increase
Thrill of Battle is a fun talent - it has an immense amount of potential as the best talent in the tier, but it's inconsistent.
It's kind of like it's too strong for its own good. Doubling your CDR for EIGHT seconds, while that sounds amazing, also means you have to be freely AAing for 8 seconds. If the enemy team has little CC or dodgeable CC, I think it has potential to be the better pick.
Also, I haven't tested bolt (I always take nexus blades) or ToB, but I'm looking forward to testing both of them, especially ToB.
Wonderful guide, +1.
You should consider adding Li Li near Uther and BW for threat lv.
With Lingering Blind and Shrink Ray, Illidan can't do anything if the cute panda is near from him. You get blinded for 3 seconds, meaning you lose all sustain and damage, and if you dare to use Metamorphosis, Li Li can just use shrink ray to make you lose all your damage.
Hey Nintales, thanks for the suggestion.
I'll get a Li Li Matchup in there ASAP. I also think I need to adjust the Brightwing Matchup, I think she's a bit less viable now, though still a direct Illidan counter.
I find myself with a deal i play a lot of illidan and i found this guide to have some problems for example The Hunt can be used in certain situations over metamorphosis for example there is a guy alone split pushing 1 the hunt and you can get a kill onto him since they won't have time to do **** about you while meta is the best late game ultimate in the early game the hunt is a good option if you think you can end this in no time, well i get 90% times meta just because it is strong be the hunt has its uses
Hey WarStormrage, thanks for the feedback.
Yes, The Hunt can be used to isolate that 1 split-pusher, but what does that do for you? Give you 20% XP toward the next level? And now you are bad in teamfights a couple minutes later compared to Metamorphosis.
Now The Hunt can work if your opponents simply won't learn their lesson and refuse to group, allowing you picks all over the place. At this point though I'd question why you aren't playing
The Hunt can provide a "Win-more" situation, where if you're 2+ levels ahead and stomping lower level Heroes you can get away with it.
The problem is all it takes is losing 1 teamfight later in the game for the enemy team to catch up in levels and then you'll regret taking it.
I used to be a Hunt-user - I never took Metamorphosis. It's not that I don't like the Heroic, I think it's the more fun of the two. However it really isn't worth it in any situation except when pubstomping.
With Lingering Blind and Shrink Ray, Illidan can't do anything if the cute panda is near from him. You get blinded for 3 seconds, meaning you lose all sustain and damage, and if you dare to use Metamorphosis, Li Li can just use shrink ray to make you lose all your damage.