Actually, I'm doing the math for that tier now (and some playtesting, too), and I'm seriously considering trading out Envenom for Ranger's Ambush. It is definitely a viable option now that Envenom got nerfed (and may have been better than I thought beforehand). That being said, my work and family life is upside down right now, so I don't know when I'll have a chance to finish up that math/testing. Thanks! Really glad I could help both of you out. Cheers!! Also, for those...

Well, after a long wait, the math for level 13 is finally here. Sorry about the delay: real life called, and it also took me a much longer time than expected to do all the playtesting necessary for that tier. The other tiers should be faster, since most of their talents' effects are more straightforward to calculate than those at level 13 are. As always, I want you all to find it helpful, so feedback is welcome.

Definitely. Actually, as you were writing this, I was updating the guide to say essentially the same thing! In most situations, Wailing Arrow is better, but Possession is now a viable choice. It will also be a nightmare for enemies facing your split push tactics. I'm gonna go have some fun with it right now, actually!

Now that's a heck of a thing...I assumed you lost the experience by converting the wave, but that's really useful in that case. I've definitely used it in multiple situations already and found it useful, but the experience might be even more important to capitalize on enemy heroes' absence immediately. It's like an instant Azmodan push, without the risk of the General of Hell dying. A 2.5-second silence is tough to sacrifice, but I'm starting to think it's definitely worth it in some...

First, pretty big update today based on the new patch. More updates pending some playtesting. @Arthariel - Thanks for the suggestions for helping out. Took both of them. Such quick references are now included in the "The Kit" and "Map-Specific Strategies" sections. Let me know what you think! @Archimedes75 - Yeah, you're right that most people don't agree. The thing is, Sylvanas does enough damage to be an assassin, but it's not really good burst damage. I'll...

Good timing then, haha! In that case, I'll look for a future update. Thanks very much for checking.

Bump?

You're welcome, Winter0heart! UPDATE: Based on some conversations recently, I've redone the math behind the level-1 talent choices. Thanks to Severage and others for pointing out the advantages to With the Wind that ought to be accounted for, and thanks especially to Severage for pointing out the obvious: even if Lost Soul contributes more, it does so at the cost of more mana - while With the Wind and even Barbed Shot are free. Thanks to Goffterdom for pointing out that the math could...

Awesome!

Oh, I thought that was clear. My bad (but thanks for replying to let me know). So in the list of possible bbcode tags for guide building on this site (found at there's a tag called . Tags are things like Size 3 text here. or Spoiler information in here. The define tag supposedly adds a definition for a word or phrase that will appear on mouseover. I imagine that means it's something like what happens when you use the wikilink tags, like [Malfurion The example the bbcode list gives...