Thanks robisinho. I'm about to start doing that math, so this is a great starting point. I really appreciate it!

Yep, that's my take on it! Currently reworking parts of my guide, so I think I'll add these kinds of comments to it. Nice chatting, as always, bro!

Haha, no, we can't all agree, and don't think it would be any fun if we did, haha! Hope the math was helpful, though. I don't recall pointing you in particular out elsewhere (it's probably just comments in general about a lot of other guides, many of whom take similar talents to your choices), but in any case, if it sparked you to rethink things or talk more in-depth about them, I think that's great. Conversation like this is what guides are all about! Cheers.

Yeah, I know you're the other author, mate. I just didn't want to call you out for what I think is erroneous math--especially when so much else in your guide is good and useful information! Sorry, I thought the answer to that question was clear in the guide: see the 7 assumptions it corrects in the detailed math. In case it wasn't, I can explain. You can actually cast far more than 30 Withering Fire per minute. If you're not careful, you could even imagine casting 1 every 2 seconds, 1...

Definitely! Well deserved! Now that's a number I didn't take into account. Mana costs. I'll have to think about that. I think you're right that Lost Soul does actually end up reducing your sustain (at least in lane at low levels), since you end up using so much more mana. With the Wind, of course, doesn't have that problem at all. I'll have to ponder how to take it into account in the math...but as you say, there are actually so many variables that it's already pretty difficult....

So the way I read the tag, it's a tag that should allow a popup box on mouseover. I can't seem to get it to work, though. Has anyone had any luck with it? Is there another tag that allows mouseover text? Thanks in advance, guys.

Hello Goffterdom, Sorry if things are unclear. There's a lot of math in there, so it can definitely be hard to follow! Does that make sense/help out? I hope so, but please let me know if I missed something.

@Severage - Couple of things: First, no idea what the hell is with your guide not showing properly. I'm reworking my guide right now, and I think I'm just going to cite yours for a couple of things to get people over here. It's as good if not better than mine is (as are most of your guides, bro!). Second, partially because of our useful discussions, I've started the labor of actually estimating the math behind talent choices. So far, I've gotten through what I think is the most...

@Ziarre and FrankDaTank - You're most welcome. Sylvanas is definitely worth it, even above Nova and Tyrande (originally two of my favorites as well), so I hope this guide helped you guys learn to play her better--unless you're playing against me, of course, haha! I ended up doing the math after the useful conversation Severage and I had about Lost Soul and With the Wind in the comments above--and because another guide-writer (who I'll be polite enough not to name) has recently done some...

So just thought I'd add my two cents. I just found this guide, despite having written a Sylvanas guide myself. For some reason, it doesn't consistently show up in the top Sylvanas guides. You should look into that, Severage, since I definitely think this is the best or second-best Sylvanas guide out there (next to my own, of course!). Realistically, anyone learning Sylvanas would be well-suited by reading this guide and mine, and choosing between them or combining them. They both also...